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White Feather |
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White Feather |
Deepak Chopra Responds | ||
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Writing Songs With My Friend Mike | ||
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Writing Songs With My Friend Mike, by Gotham Chopra (son of Deepak Chopra). |
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Atlantea |
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Thank you, White Feather, for posting the above links. It was very touching reading those stories/recollections about Michael Jackson. He is in a much better
place now...surrounded in a blanket of soft white LOVE.
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White Feather |
Releasing It All | ||
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So if every celebrity mirrors something from mass consciousness, what do you think it is that Michael Jackson mirrored? What was it that he was here to show
the world? What did his life and celebrity mean for us and show us? What part of you did he touch? What message did his life convey in your eyes? What did he
make you feel? What did he make you think? What did we learn from him? What did he mirror? What metaphors did he play out? How do you feel about the whole
"Peter Pan thing?" What does his life say about childhood and the withholding thereof? What were the consequences? And what did he teach us about
plastic surgery and "image?" What did he show us about money and celebrity? What part of his life do you resonate the most with? He was a
Jehovah's Witness until shortly before he died when he converted to Islam. What do you think about that? And what do you think his relationship to
Bubbles the chimpanzee was all about? Elvis sold more records after he died than before he died. Do you think it will be the same with Michael? What kind of
gestalt do you think Michael linked his energy to? Was it similar to that which so many celebrities who died suddenly and early linked to? How would his life
and energy have been different had he lived to the ripe old age of 94? And how do you feel about his children? Are you sick of hearing about Michael Jackson
already? Or are there thoughts about him in your mind that are not totally resolved? How impactful do you think his untimely death is? Whatever opinion you
might have, please feel totally free to express it--and thereby release it. And how do you think things might change by releasing him? What did he represent
that needs releasing? And how does that correlate--if at all--with your own life and thinking?
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Patty Norrbom |
Here is what it means to me White Feather | ||
So if every celebrity mirrors something from mass consciousness, what do you think it is that Michael Jackson mirrored? What was it that he was here to show the world? He showed the world that we don't have to fit in a certain box, a type that people and society expects. He went outside the box and it was ok. To live in an imaginary world and he enjoyed himself like a child. What did his life and celebrity mean for us and show us? What part of you did he touch? What message did his life convey in your eyes? What did he make you feel? What did he make you think? What did we learn from him? What did he mirror? What metaphors did he play out? How do you feel about the whole "Peter Pan thing?" What does his life say about childhood and the withholding thereof? What were the consequences? Michael touched me deep in my heart when he was going through his trial. He was so full of fear at the time. Now I'm gonna say some things and people can agree or disagree with me and that is I believe the reports of Michael with the children. Now let me explain what it is I saw and learned of him. Michael suffered abuse as a child. From what the news media said to interviews with Michael, he was sorely abused. Then his Dad worked him as a workhorse and somehow he got stunted in his growth as a child. Micheal wanted to live the dream of a child, without pain, without hurt, and just enjoying life. But even though he was living this in his heart, the outer part of him was maturing and he was getting sexual feelings and he then could only be attracted to a level of where his growth was stopped and that is with children. Yikes !!!! Did I just say that.....now working with Sex offenders I can see that so clearly. That is where the confusion lied in Michael, because he was so judged by the outside world and the stress was too much for his heart to bear, I see that so plainly with sex offenders and child molesters that I work with.....Society judges them instead of reach out to them. Now I have a sister who does not believe that Michael did anything with children. That is ok. I do believe he did and he needed our help, not judgement. I went through a similar circumstance with my ex husband. He molested my grand daughter and yes we had to call the police and yes he was tried and convicted of 2 felonies, but I cannot hate him, in fact I still talk to him, he needs our help as well as the victim needed our help for at one time, he was a victim to an older man who sexually abused him as a child. But the media hype puts fear into most people and they hurt these men, picket their houses and gossip terribly. I'm not saying they should not be locked up in prison. Especially those who have hurt people, but we must remember they need help, this is a growth problem in them and whether we like it or not they are ascending too. I could relate to Micheals pain, the news media, gossip, and court proceedings took it's toll on him, I too went through similar pain with the same thing in my family. He left the country it got so bad and he looked as if stress got the better hold of him. (tears) He was a Jehovah's Witness until shortly before he died when he converted to Islam. I think he did that for guilt reasons. To escape the guilt religions put on us. and his image he marred so greatly, somehow he did not like who he was.....somehow he thought he needed to change to be loved..... How impactful do you think his untimely death is? Whatever opinion you might have, please feel totally free to express it--and thereby release it. And how do you think things might change by releasing him? I release Micheal in all things, and love him completly. His releasing by me releases a part of my own body for are we not all one.....can we say we love ourselves without loving our brother Micheal. I forgive Micheal for anything he did in so doing I free also myself and forgivness for anything I may of done to others. I know his death was untimely, that was my first thought when I heard the news and that it was not suppose to happen at this time, it even says in scripture that one can die before his time. One thing i'll add, I loved his music although in the past decade I really did not listen to it that much, but I remember him in the Jackson Five and also when he broke free and did his own thing. When Thriller came out I saw the talent that man had and his videos for his music have not been surpassed by anyone, they are so theatrical and it was like watching a short hollywood movie. He could dance the night away and and there was so much love in his face and eyes.....I saw how bright his eyes were, and then I saw them dim with stress and fear and it saddens me somehow. May I stop my own lips from uttering anything that is not befitting to our great God against another human being....for somehow our words and thoughts have power. They really do. |
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Patty you made lots of good points about sex offenders. I don,t know the statistics but I'm guessing a lot were abused themselves as children. The problem
is there is no help, no prevention, no detection. I do belive that sex offenders try to fight off their urges but there is nobody they can turn to, society
will shun them and they will be marked for life so they keep it all inside until they have a moment of weakness and they commit unrepairable acts. I believe
most sex offenders feel terrible after acting out, a mixture of shame and guilt and powerlessness, and it's an urge as powerful as drugs, the bottle or any
addiction out there, but they can't call anyone when they think of acting out. They are utterly alone and helpless. Sex is powerful, even more so when it
is repressed.
Could an anonymous help line for people who have sexual feelings toward children help? If the problem was identified and aknowledged, could there be hope for the next generation? If the potential is there and someone could go to therapy before he or she acts out? I'm going to keep on guessing about that one but it may not be such a crazy idea. As for Michael Jackson, I tried hard to have feelings, any kind of feelings, about his passing. I was indifferent to him at the height of his career, then I caught bits and pieces of his long, painful descent as a human freakshow with detachment but kind of feeling sorry for him. The only comment I can muster up is that no amount of money, fame, success can bring inner peace, which was made painfully obvious by watching this guy's strange life unravel before us.
"Go to God, any which way, but go!!!
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Seven411 |
Apathy | ||
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I have no feelings for or about Michael Jackson. To me he was a study in contrasts in that his public image was that of an eccentric, drug addicted,
pedophilic, pop-rock star. I frequently wondered why he would choose to do the things he did, but I chose not to condone or condemn him for any of his
actions. Apparently, from the amount of press his death has gotten, he made a tremendous impact on a lot of people. However, even in death, he has left a lot
of unanswered questions so that the enigma continues.
Namaste' |
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Kindler8 |
To GOd | ||
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Love Weaver, what you said, "The only comment I can muster up is that no amount of money, fame, success can bring inner peace," is so true, how many
famous, rich people have lived desperate lives and died lonely deaths?
Patty thank you SO much! I so agree with what you say. This must have been such a time for you that your ex messed with your Grandaughter, bless you! Now, yes I also saw a report once where Michael was sharing how he was abused as a child and yet raised so strictly and I felt inside also that he did do what was reported to those children but I also like you did not feel hate for him for this, even though I believe with all my heart that these people really really need help, we have to stop looking at them as monsters. My father was a child sex predator who tortured his own daughters, I have had to do much soul searching and work to carry myself through this history. Do I hate him, NO! These people are not monsters, they are lost souls, they need help. Once I had a dream that it was all brought out into the open and dealt with firmly but lovingly and That is what I would desire. I have trouble getting labeled as the child that caused my mother the most grief, I was the child that acted out, went out as soon as I could, escaped, turned to drugs, drink and the fast life. My mother does not know what hell I suffered at home and that I had good reason to act out. I believe that there are many ways that I also am stunted in my growth, still a child, although I thank God everyday that I don't have these child sexaul desires, I would do anything in my power to keep this from happening to any child, it scars you for life. Once I also had a dream where I was watching my Dad do strange sexual things and I was laughing at him and a voice said to me, Are you laughing at him or are you laughing at you and I think that this dream was telling me that in a way I am my Dad, I carry his DNA, this problem is not something that is just his problem, it is a generational thing. If I can be a bridge, no matter how painful it is, I will be that bridge. So I don't' hate Jackson even though I think he did do those things, I feel that he is in a much better place now, now he will find the peace that he never found on earth. I also think that Jackson came from someplace else, he had a very sensitive soul. "Society judges them instead of reach out to them." Patty, Yes! This is where we need to work, we need to stop judging even though it seem horrid to us, they were all once children, badly abused, my own father after much time finally told me that It happened to him when he was three. I would do anything to go back in time and protect little boy Daddy. I will do anything to keep my Grandson safe. I thank God that I don't have any attraction to children, god forbid! I would kill myself if I did as this has to stop someplace. God bless Mr. Jackson, I saw a picture of him when he was a little boy, big brown eyes. May he rest now in the arms of Jesus. Once while reading one of the many books that I have read about these issues I read that people who have experianced this kind of trama in their childhood are never able to deal with stress as well as normal people. this made me mad! Thanks God! I shook my fist to the heavens, thanks for not protecting me, thanks for letting me be a basket case, thanks for letting me become cracked. I went to my place of work, a book fell off the shelf, I picked it up and it was titled, God Uses Cracked Pots.
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Patty Norrbom |
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yes a grievous time for me and still is. My family is not the way it use to be and frankly when you are married to someone who does this act, somehow you get
in the mix of being blamed too. I did alot of study into it and what does it solve to shun these people? I too have been shunned and still am by my family.
It hurts and I did not even know it was happening !!! May we all love and walk in love for love heals. I learned from this experience that I will never
shun, always uplift and find the good and help another through this process.
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Akai |
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Michael was such a beautiful child. He was beyond his years. His father fu*ked him up royally. Mine did too. I guess it's part of the intended journey of
struggle to make it out of that.
He was my favorite artist during the "Thriller" years. I got into hard rock heavily and faded away from Michael. My take: He was obsessed with correcting his strange childhood by becoming a good father. Within his parenting years was his journey through his corrupted sexual energy. His only suitable companions to accompany him through that journey were non-sexual beings such as pre-puberty children. I do not believe he molested any of his own children. I believe he was attracted to children who carried the same corrupted sexual energy he carried. Michael is an example of what we as adults can do to beautiful flowers. For those who codemn, be preparted to take some responsibility. For we are God separated only by our individual egos. Everything that exists in this dimension we all created. If there were 2 humans in the beginning, we all stem from those 2 humans. We are all responsible on some level for all that we are experiencing. Me, I'm in law enforcement now. Many years prior, in another life, I was robbing banks helping set up the law enforcement system I now work within. This life I am protecting children. Other lifetimes I was not there to protect my children. I now honor my wife. Lifetimes past, I honored every other woman but my wife. Michael sang about saving the world yet he spent millions on useless junk. Michael was a walking contradiction. He encompassed everything many of us are, into one body. He wanted so badly to love himself yet he could not be the Man in the Mirror who said, "I love you Michael". I am Michael and Michael is me. I'm fortunate enough to be the man in the mirror who says, "I love you", as Michael's music plays in the background. |
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White Feather |
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That was fantastically awesome, Akai. Thank you very, very much! |
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Lovestar Weaver |
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Akai this is the most enlightened comment I have read about Michael Jackson since his death. Thank you for sharing your insight with us.
"Go to God, any which way, but go!!!
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Kindler8 |
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Yes Akai, what you wrote is pretty darn cool and a lot to think on
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Akai |
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You're welcome, and thank you.
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First of all, I have never been a *huge* fan of Michael Jackson (yes, I love his music, particularly the 'Off the Wall' and 'Thriller' albums
and he was an absolute genius of dance). But, I wanted you to know that I do not own a single Michael Jackson album and have never been to any of his concerts;
in other words, I am not swayed by his celebrity in any way. Yet, I feel, in my heart, that Michael Jackson was INNOCENT. He could not have committed those
crimes against children. Michael was PURE LOVE (he radiated this LIGHT!)...there was no evil in him.
As a child, I was sexually abused by two men (a stepfather and my aunt's husband) - I can sense when this 'darkness' is in a person...and there was none of it in Michael. I can 'feel' in my heart that Michael was just not capable of such evil. Michael didn't have a childhood, he was robbed of his, as I was of my own. I still feel like a child in many ways (the little girl that never properly had a childhood still lives within me). And, probably because of this, I have always had a special affinity with children...children love me and I have always preferred to be in the presence of them to adults. Children are, for the most part, uncorrupted, non-judgemental, and their minds, full of imagination. So, I can see where Michael was coming from. He had been so betrayed by adults, growing up, that he found comfort in the presence of children, in his adulthood. I truly feel that 'his money' is what destroyed Michael...that and his innocent naiveté; he lacked good judgement when it came to people. I believe he was 'set up' for his 'life disaster' because of this. His money lured the evil-doers into his life...ie, the people that used their own children to gain Michael's money. It was an easy thing to do as Michael has already presented himself to the world as a 'weirdo that loved children'; these bad people used Michael's publically percepted 'image' and slayed him with it, all in the name of money. Michael's biggest downfall was trusting these people...the crime was committed against HIM. In this case, darkness won over light. Yes, I can completely understand why there are so many people that believe Michael committed these crimes against children; he was indeed a very strange character...he was 'one-of-a-kind'. But, we must all remember not to judge others. He lived his life (his adult life) the way HE WANTED to live it! He LOVED children with his heart, not his body. I just KNOW this, completely. And being strange is not a crime! He changed his looks for HIM; he wore a mask in public to keep away germs, knowing he looked strange, but he still did it because HE wanted to; he didn't hide his obvious love for children from the world because he knew he was NOT in the wrong. Michael Jackson was a shy, compassionate, extraordinary human being - a true genius. A lovely soul, he blessed us with his gifts of music and dance...he must be remembered for his loving light...to me, he was an ANGEL INCARNATE...and now an ANGEL ETHEREAL...thank you, Michael, for your GIFTS and LOVE and LIGHT. XXX |
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Atlantia, What you wrote is very touching and I am so glad that you shared how you feel. I am sorry for what happened to you as a child. I was reading
something by a Native American Indian the other day. He said that the spirits told him that for every trail that we had to experiance as children that the
spirits would give us a gift. Cool, huh! Blessings! Kindler
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Thank you, Kindler. That IS very cool...I want my GIFTS...I'm still waiting!!! ;-) I don't dwell on the abuse, any more...I'm over it now. However,
I am still very sensitive to *others* who are being abused today. That's why I wanted to express my true feelings about Michael Jackson. Because, if I felt
he did do those evil things to children, I would definitely know it...I would feel it.
Love and light, to ALL, Atlantea. |
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White Feather |
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Great points, Atlantea. Your own experiences have made you sensitive to others, allowing you to feel the situation. So I would say to continue to trust your feelings. I think those gifts are closer than you think. Thank you so much for sharing. |
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Atlantea |
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Thank you, dear White Feather. Yes, I have learned to *trust* my intuition. Some things, I just *know*...by a person's eyes and by their aura (I don't
*see* auras - the colors I mean - but my soul can recognize/read auras...I can see the *light* of good in some people)...and Michael Jackson was one of those
people...like Mahatma Gandhi, Mother Teresa, the Dalai Lama, Princess Diana, and Audrey Hepburn, just some of the lovely souls that come to mind...he had the
light of *good* in him. And, YES! As for the gifts, White Feather, you are spot-on...in the last month I have been *awakened* and have been receiving gifts in
plentitude from the the universe...one gift being that the crystals have drawn me back into their world again...I am in a state of educational bliss!!!
Love and light, to you, Atlantea. |
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